Here's some axioms, ideas, and polemics cLIeNUX is based on or strives for..... A system is only as good as the docs. Proximity is the best documentation. 2 stacks are better than one. Hiding information isn't friendly. If you can't obtain the sourcecode, you don't own the box. Graphical tools are for graphical tasks. Things that endure are built from the bottom up. The proper point from which to build a net services system is a net client system. The distinctions between user and admin, user and developer, application and operating system, and others, are arbitrary and frequently counter-functional. The "best" of something is often a couple of somethings. Sometimes re-inventing the wheel is faster than finding the wheel you need. A market paradigm can be devised to cooperate well with the above axioms and reward individuals who also do. Rick Hohensee 19980825 19990615